That's how we got the Foreign Agent Registration Act. Its a real party. Update 2:45 p.m. PT: TheWrap spoke with Chris Hayes, newly named weekend MSNBC host, on Monday about his new show, TV mentor Rachel Maddow and the impossibility of covering the debt crisis.. Chris Hayes: -- ballpark, what is this? Can you imagine if former President Donald Trump said this? It can be stopped now before it acquires the prestige of success. So we start off with the story of the senator who you've never heard of. That was awesome. Rachel Maddow: And your country will respond to you not necessarily by declaring your behavior illegal because it may not be --. So there's a little bit of like heartbreak and joy that came when Rachel said that she was going to step away from "The Daily Show" and have "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. But I do think that the power that he has over his listeners and the power he has to influence events makes him fall in love with the idea of the strong man as the savior --. And then someone comes along, they just like do it differently. So I'm glad that history is written, but there's another way to write this history rather than just saying, oh, these poor defendants, they never should have been put on trial. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. Rachel Maddow: You would not be on trial. Chris Hayes: -- because its like, look, well, it turned around in the end. I'm happy to read it. They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. Chris Hayes is . Is this a real story? ", Chris Hayes: I have one work product. Like, that theres no final victory over the forces of it, even though I feel like the story of World War II and particularly the story of that, you know, its like the defeat of Nazis and fascism, the purging of Nazis and fascists from the continent, although not really in France. What is Rachel Maddow's Net Worth and Salary? Back in August, the Hollywood Reporter and the Daily Beast reported that Maddow signed a new multi-year deal with MSNBC. And I was just like, OK, well. Like think about what that would translate to in terms of todays ratings. And the Hitler government simultaneously supporting both native fascist and German fascist movements in this country that were plotting a violent overthrow of the U.S. Government. I haven't figured out how to work less, but I am working in a different way and I'm doing different things, and that is valuable. Chris Hayes: -- like, Im not doing anything. Now, this is basically the standard for American League home run leaders for like the entirety of the first 20 years of the 20th century. You know, and so were like Im playing YouTube clips of Huey Long speeches. By Juli Weiner. And actually, it's amazing, you know, that the Oath Keepers sedition trial is going on --, Rachel Maddow: -- right now. And so, what we end up with is the Justice Department, not stumbling onto but discovering the contours of this plot by the Hitler government to use members of Congress to distribute Nazi propaganda in quantity to the American public. Chris Hayes: -- by Reverend Alson J. Smith --. Chris Hayes: It's fascinating, theres clips of Coughlin in the show. In this case, this pamphlet is about the Bronx. Be sure to follow us on TikTok. And that means that the history of it, to the extent that there is any history of it, has been written by the right and by people who are sympathizers of the defendants --. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. Chris Hayes: Yeah, exactly. Chris Hayes: Hello and welcome to "Why Is This Happening?" Those movements came from somewhere. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. Vice reported that it was told by Goodwill after the items were brought to the organizations attention that the items were removed from its online auction. And the Justice Department was like, "We should do something about this. I think were capable of it. ", Rich Polk / Getty Images for Politicon; Scott Olson / Getty Images. He interviews guys on the Nazi side of the plot to say, in fact, were you working with these Americans and gets them on the record from their cells at Nuremberg saying yeah, these were the Americans who we are working with. Rachel Maddow: A paid agent of Hitler's government working with members of Congress and members of the United States Senate to distribute, literally, propaganda written by the German government targeting the American people in quantity. . Hayes is not the only one who had to recently explain why a swastika has appeared in a place where it would hardly be expected, according to news reports. And then in 1914, he had nine. Quiz: Photo of Rachel Maddow or Photo of Chris Hayes? You have to work with people who are smarter than you, who keep you on track and bring out the best in you. They do that over and over in the workrooms and the app gets better and better and tighter and tighter, and the really good ones come up with something amazing that they could show up at any room across the country and kill. Chris Hayes: The podcast is called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." Is that a story about authoritarianism? Chris Hayes: The hearts and minds part of it, too, is fascinating. Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. I brought you the whole thing. In addition to Maddow, Brian Williams is talking about leaving his program "The 11th Hour" when his contract expires in the next six months, according to sources who say he wants to end the late-night gig. Search it up, thats what my kids say. Actually, it was the right decision. It is a fascist myth to believe that you need a strong man to lead a fascist movement where you need is people who have an appetite. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. Rachel Maddow: -- isolationists to move in, right? Chris Hayes: -- tools of liberal democracy. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? Happy? Rachel Maddow: And so, you end up with all sorts of ways that the criminal law can be engaged against some of these leaders, you know, and thats not definitionally true, just historically recurring. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, journalist, podcaster, producer, and author who has a net worth of $6 million. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. Chris Hayes: Thats the other thing, yeah. One of her new projects is Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra, a podcast all about the history of pre-World War II American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. You can get the first two episodes now wherever you get your podcasts. You get 11, you get 10. I think there needs to be a bigger, broader anti-fascist movement where people actually have work to do every day and trying to --. Chris Hayes, Nico Parker: N/A: Late Show Presents: Meanwhile. And he sort of leaves the clan and forms a successor organization, and then joins with all these American fascists, including those who are in touch with Hitlers government, to create a plan to build an American fascist, to create an American violent fascist to overthrow here. Rachel Maddow: And where we get to from that is a Nazi plot --. I'm in Rachel's head, and I'm in her world." Not to be weird but, like, I'm very grateful to the executives at the company who said I could do this, because it means that I don't have to quit doing what I'm doing. blend together . Hayes was said to transition better to The Rachel Maddow Show because he is seen as just as policy-oriented as Maddow. Chris Hayes, Washington editor for the Nation, is sitting in for Rachel Maddow tonight. Doni Holloway will be checking those and sending me the good ones, screening out anything critical. MSNBC's Chris Hayes Posts Photo with Rachel Maddow, Then Users Notice Symbol Next to Them By Jack Davis October 6, 2022 at 8:34am The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. Hayes is renowned for his role as the host of the All In with Chris Hayes weekday news show which airs on MSNBC. Follow us on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. And the fact is that even after Pearl Harbor, the groups that were planning the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, they took on a different caste because then, you know, we were at war. But I'll tell you, the name of the secretary. Chris Hayes: Everyone gets to see what I do. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. Doni, do you remember what you told him? And I was like were on the Huey Long Bridge, lets play some Huey Long. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. May 8, 2013. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. See or download fact-checks by FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and The Washington Post's Fact Checker.The Nancy Pelosi Archive is one of several collections of TV news clips featuring public officials, with related fact-checks. I love that scientific part of it. And then it's here. (3:10) NBC had to retract a fabricated Today Show story that reignited the fascists' homophobic conspiracy theory about Paul Pelosi. You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. Chris Hayes: -- and it's funny, too, because I've been thinking about this as I'm listening to your "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," I'm thinking about, you know, the Russians, who have an incredibly profound mythology around World War II, justified by the fact that they lost more lives than anyone in --, Chris Hayes: -- defeating Hitler's army. Rachel Maddow: -- form fascist organizations even. And the same agents in the Hitler government, operating through the same channels, was doing both of those things simultaneously. Why Is This Happening? is presented by MSNBC and NBC News, produced by Doni Holloway and Brendan O'Melia, engineered by Bob Mallory and features music by Eddie Cooper. Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Similarly, with the great sedition trial in 1944, which is sort of amazing that they brought it in 1944 --, Chris Hayes: Right, yes, right, right, right --, Rachel Maddow: -- given what happened in 1940 when they tried it against the Christian Front, that trial has gone down in history as a failure or as a sideshow or, in some cases, as a debacle because it wasn't a successful prosecution. We have all this stuff. Justice Department can only speak through its actions in court. The ReidOut. I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. I think that our professional and civic and religious institutions can be strong but can also be heard. Chris Hayes: That's a hell of a person to plagiarize. . Chris Hayes: -- totally lost to history. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Discover will be the first credit card company to use a new merchant identification code that will show purchases made at gun stores. But no sooner did they move to New York City. And like, you get figures like this sometimes, right? On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. Hey, mom, yeah, but I did. And, to me, when I started to understand the story, that's when I felt like, "Oh, I need to make it right away.". Chris Hayes: -- like, how is the new life of one night a week of "The Rachel Maddow Show"? Meanwhile, MSNBC's All in with Chris Hayes drew 1.57 million at 8 pm and Last Word averaged 1.79 million at 10 pm. . So that idea of accountability, like there is a role for institutions like the church. Chris Hayes: Right, right. Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. News. In her past career, Shaw clerked in the Supreme Court for. Chris Hayes: I mean, not to get too, like, therapy here, but there is just this is like a prime insight of therapy, right, which is like, wherever you go, there you are. To be like, "Thank you. Chris Hayes: Howard Stern, yeah. If passed, this bill in Iowa would pose a massive challenge to the federal government's recognition of same-sex marriage. Rachel Maddow: -- which failed. But compartmentalization is important so that you can work this intensely. And then the prosecutor said they continued their plot. So the thing that I left out at the intro is that, and I've said this before publicly and you've said it before and it's like reported, like, the way that you would approach the show daily was just, like, an unbelievable amount of work, you know, just in terms of sheer hours, and in effort, and in rewrites and revisions and making those A blocks, particularly, which they take a bunch of different producers and they're very long for --, Chris Hayes: -- cable news, which is part of the reason they don't get done at that length because, actually, it just --, Rachel Maddow: Means a lot of commercials in the back-half of the show because you can't put any in the first 25 minutes --, Chris Hayes: Right, but it also means, like --, Chris Hayes: -- constructing. Rachel Maddow: And then you were in local morning radio and working this hard, and then you were working for the ACLU --. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Rachel Maddow: Theres a great book called "Nazis of Copley Square" written by Charles Gallagher, whos a Jesuit priest who teaches at Boston College. I was burning myself out physically and mentally in a way that meant that I was not going to be able to keep doing this for very long. Mark Henle - The Arizona Republic - Pool / AP, Richard Pohle - Pool - AFP / Getty Images, @bennyjohnson / Twitter screen shot; Kamil Krzaczynski / Getty Images, Svet foto / Shutterstock; @FoxNews / Twitter. Hayes and Shaw now resided in Washington, D.C. Babe Ruth just completely annihilates the records, hits 29 in 1919 --. Jack Davis is a freelance writer who joined The Western Journal in July 2015 and chronicled the campaign that saw President Donald Trump elected. Chris Hayes: But these weren't just like odd cranks, rondos, that there was organization, very powerful popular support and mobilization, key figures, and the sort of formation of something that looked like a kind of proto or explicitly profascist movement and organization inside the United States. Rachel Maddow: -- 10 years he was chancellor. So Charles Coughlin, I think everybodys heard of him. And its interesting after Huey Long was assassinated, he had left behind in Louisiana a political machine that still ruled in dictatorial terms over Louisiana politics sort of share our wealth --. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. Rachel Maddow: -- stockpiling bombs and detailed plans. And its a speech --. But the thing that was very exciting to me about that was like, oh, well, let's see what Babe Ruth is going to do next. And you need the prosecution, you need the investigation, you need the Justice Department to be engaged in things like this, but it's actually not the solution. So I was like --. Well, then who are the Jewish bankers, right? Chris Hayes: More of our conversation after this quick break. The accompanying text read:. Theyre not sending their best. Chris Hayes: Right, but the first step, the key, is to parcel out the information in this way --, Chris Hayes: -- that doesn't overwhelm --. And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. A new biography about the Duke of Sussex alleges that Prince Harry was not always the ardent proponent of "woke" dogma he is today. He goes to Germany. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. They really like fascist rhetoric. Chris Hayes: Well, no, thats fascinating. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's 9 p.m. show averaged a 2.3 rating, up from a 2.2, and . Maddow seeks to explain our complex world and deliver news in a way that's illuminating and dynamic, connecting the dots to make sense of complex issues. And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. ", Chris Hayes: Like, a round of applause for this, like --, Chris Hayes: -- please, yes. And I ended up in the weird part of American Republican Party politics where they were against the Nuremberg trials. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. Chris Hayes: Well be right back after we take this quick break. Note: This is a rough transcript please excuse any typos. It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. Chris Hayes: With an actual, like, handler, like a Nazi handler --. Read our editorial standards. Thats a very compelling story. I want people to listen. And so, deciding that we won in the war --, Rachel Maddow: -- and, therefore, that vanquished --, Rachel Maddow: And all Americans came around --. We were against them --. And also the theology around tyranny and sedition, being a nuanced thing that Coughlin was very cognizant of and was playing with, even as his followers were being put on trial for sedition for having them what he told them to do. Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. Im talking to (ph) --. In addition to being generally amazing and decent, Hayes has tracked the life and death and . I mean, the stories about Jewish community activists in Los Angeles organizing infiltration of pro-Hitler German-American groups to then expose what those groups were doing even as the local police in California and the FBI had no interest in doing anything with what they were finding, I mean, what they did is they got newspaper articles written about it, and they got magazine articles written about it. I just think we need some energy in it, and Im hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who have done it well can give us some energy. And that was part of what was hard about drafting the podcast because you could do the whole thing on Coughlin and the Christian Front, right? That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. 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