@ Patti: My husband and I just watched the entire thing and were greatly encouraged by it. God grants gifts to His Children male or female and they should use those Gifts, also its stupid to sequester more than half of your fellowship and the stronger half I might add. what does cardiac silhouette is unremarkable mean / fresh sage cologne slopes of southern italy / are jay and amy farrington married How do we make sense of the world God gave us (natural revelation) and the Word God gave us (special revelation)? http://7aa41354baefb3f610d0-9426158b81c9f57386a468ce77b36d59.r25.cf2.rackcdn.com/uploaded/f/0e5040219_1461257524_future-of-leadership-at-bent-tree.pdf, Furthermore, if the hermeneutical issues are as serious as I have indicated above, then it would be a matter of faithfulness for Christians to contend against such teaching.. I love the classes at BTBF. A worship leader whose husband discovered she was having an affair was confronted by her pastor more than a year ago. Their hermeneutic must prevail and it must translate into actual practice. When my husband, Bill, said that he was a cardiologist at Baylor, Pete's eyes lit up as he asked Bill if he knew Joe. I asked the Sunday school coordinator if they could continue the class into the Reformation. This is a sad story for me to write. ), I do remember the Little Rascals (Our Gang) back in the day, with their He-Man Woman-Haters Club in fact, many times while perusing this blog it comes to mind. *Sigh* I liked the comeback to this argument Jesus disciples were Jewish, therefore your church leadership must be Jewish. This way of reading scripture is precisely the kind of thing that Duncan warns about. May Bent Tree Bible Fellowship be greatly blessed as you continue to carry out the Great Commission using ALL of the gifts God has bestowed upon the local church body. Secret Church is a David Platt thing (Platt is a New Calvinist celebrity). My son disagrees with me about women being ministers or pastors. I suspect the pain of this must be great for those who harbor integrity within themselves, but bear great love for the community they have known as a family. Beautiful The grace of God in action. Thats the logical conclusion from the creation order! The bible says certain things which have been dissected extensively about homosexual behavior (among other things) things which are limited in scope compared to the current issues on this topic and which are heavily influenced (or so the argument goes) by the culture of the day. "Trying to keep the failure quiet for a while is really difficult to do; rumors always start," said Pastor Craig Groeschel of LifeChurch.tv on Thursday during "The Nines" webcast. Oh to have a church around here like this! Denny Burk needs to read this next part. He also names the specific sin when telling the congregation but doesn't go into details. @ Dave (Eagle): Putting their names in the candidate pool, a call came one day from Pete Briscoe, senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX. Great! You cant ignore these. "The goal wasn't to tear them down, the goal wasn't to protect my image or the image of the church; the goal was to tell the truth.". Yet here we see three different complementarian leaders (Burk, Duncan, and Dever) who all use negative and disrespectful language about egalitarianism, viewing it as a dangerous threat. Firstly, this whole topic seems to be one where grace is lacking on the part of the complementarians. For some reason, it seems to be the only site on the internet that I can not get into. She was the brightest woman I had ever met in the areas of theology, doctrine, church history and preaching. It is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Ed liked having celebrities/professionalsup front and made sure that thepeople in the pews knew just how important Ed was. Pete went a step further, demonstrating, forever, his incredible humility. They were both powerhouses. I found tears flowing down my cheeks as I listened to these men speak so positively, encouragingly, and excited about women in leadership. I believe the Bible is infallible. . Your final point seemed to be along the lines that gender roles are a central matter, one that results from cultural compromise undermining the authority of scripture, and it will lead to abandoning the faith. We are safe at Nottingham and 380. So what I am saying is that it is wise to see where that reasoning leads, and the current issues in both the episcopal and UMC situation just happens to be LGBTQ related because that happens to be what is happening in the culture right now. After all, when a feminist wants a baby, she knows she will need a man. Please take a look at these issues as they have been considered by the episcopalians and now the methodists and decide on a long term projection as to where if anywhere you want to draw the line. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. There are, nonetheless, some churches were merely admitting that you experience an ongoing struggle will result in excommunication. (Eph 3:15). Dismiss women, because the culture is too liberal. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton has also used public church discipline. Secret church has been a reformed youth group activity for several years now. If male and female are both created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), that must mean that God also has female attributes, otherwise motherliness is not of God. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. This was the same conference where these same people who turned their backs on Jill Briscoe succeeded in having Ann Lotz cancel her speaking engagement at this same conference. I actually see Petes aim and approach as an attempt to contextually harmonize the texts commonly seen as divisive between the egalitarian and complementarian view points. She was certainly no lace and flowers womens ministry type but quite formidable! Iattended one on the history of the medieval church. I had to eat my Wheaties before each lesson! As Carolyn Custis James is fond of saying, we can all be theologians. I dont say this, but St. Paul said this under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The first Sunday we attended the church, we introduced ourselves to Pete. I have seen Christians growing in the Lord and then others who have gone off into looney tune new age, crystals, Barley green, and selling soap with a picture of a motor home on your fridge, and pseudo spiritual excesses. For that we are forever grateful. You wrote, To be honest, the description of complementarian in the conservative evangelical world is not at all recognizable to me, The difficulty is that even feminists acknowledge some sort of complementarity between the sexes. Now let me say, however, that when a church starts deciding who can and who cannot be ordained to Holy Orders including the diaconate there is a slippery slope to be considered. No big deal. Especially when people with no sense at all apply it to 14 year olds. Then, I bought a clean copy to start over again! So yes, you will see the the marketing behind the issue change. That takes courage, I think. Tolkien,The Lord of the Ringslink Theyve demonstrated that they know how to read the Bible correctly: to look at the context and see what Paul was really talking about. God is the Father from Whom all fatherhood in heaven and on earth gets its name. Preview the Course Here Most pastors wish their preaching was better but don't know how to develop while on the job. I found catholicism much more user friendly and I found that catholics and catholicism itself seems to actually like God (not as common with evangelicals as far as I can get a feel of it) and like/respect each other and even like/respect the clergy. The Word was made for men and women, not men and women for the Word. How people who disagree on the role of women can be unified. Now let me say, however, that when a church starts deciding who can and who cannot be ordained to Holy Orders including the diaconate there is a slippery slope to be considered. I was not raised in a patriarchal or comp environment so the rise of that thinking was very confusing to me. . That is something to be thankful for. What about people who are not married, either straight or LGBTQ who admit that they are sexually active. Im so happy you had a church experience like that, Dee. Here is a link to their doctrinal positions. I had the same response. A traitor is one who hands over his Bible. But as I read everything in not just chapter context, but book context along with finding the discrepancy between the Strongs and the KJV that was not there regarding most other subjects, I thought everyone would be as happy as I was when I could show that Paul and Peter were actually saying the opposite of what I had been oppressed with my whole life. for their decision is at odds with a commitment to the Bibles authority. Its funny he mentioned that it took 25 years to get to this point and for 24 years he waited for the Holy Spirit to move. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. . Why mention this? Denny, thanks for sharing. The bible read dogmatically on the subject is clear God will keep his people from sinning in ongoing patterns. Because a denial in principle of the moral authority of the NT commands is at the heart of the whole system, and because the system denies the historical accuracy of the creation account, I do not believe Webbs redemptive-movement hermeneutic should be accepted as a valid system for evangelicals today. *Sigh* I liked the comeback to this argument Jesus disciples were Jewish, therefore your church leadership must be Jewish. Very sad, this. It has taken me awhile to comment because Ive been speechless, thinking about all this. Then Pete helps them put together a life plan to get there. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Plus, life honestly goes better if you avoid those pitfalls. The elders continued to meet with the errant husband, begging him to reconsider what he was doing. No problem. Looking back I see it as one of those packaged trips where one can see 100 countries in 6 days, dont unpack your bags. . I have to pray about that a lot. . Look, most leaders who get into ministry aren't fake. @ frieda: not too long ago that talked the reason why men need to be leaders is because Jesus chose men. these people remain, and their lot is patience and long-suffering, and hope for better days . He stopped and pointed the two of us out. I need to look that quote up & post it here verbatim as its much better in the original. 1. NASHVILLE - There are three issues challenging the modern church, said Dallas Pastor Pete Briscoe to The Christian Post in an interview Saturday evening after he gave one of the keynote messages at the opening session of the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. -Pete Briscoe, Former Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible . Needless to say, he convinced me and soon I started teaching and would continue to teach until I left Dallas for Raleigh. Justifying Injustice with the Bible: Slavery After confronting the two, Powell disclosed the information to the congregation. At that moment, I saw the beauty of an organic body, loving and supporting one another, through thick and thin. I dont think so. She put herself through Bible College by doing house work and became a Wycliff Bible Translator. Thank you to the pastor of Bent Tree Fellowship for his faithfulness in believing that women to whom the Spirit has given gifts should be free to use them, for working so many years with those who did not hold that same belief, and for being so understanding of those who will find such a radical thing to be very hard. __ So I know about the wheaties thing. There are people who dont understand no matter how much I try to explain it to them. To be honest, the description of complementarian in the conservative evangelical world is not at all recognizable to me . Correlation is not causality, but this correlation does mean that I cant take them seriously. An Appeal to Southern Baptists To Support the Pro-life Cause. Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI Similar reasoning. We were short time members of Ed Young Jr's church in Dallas. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship Business Data. Once we say that current understandings of cultural impact are more apt to lead to a best understanding of scripture, as opposed to mere recitation of the words themselves, then we have potentially opened ourselves to dealing with other issues based on the same approach to scripture. In Burks religion, it is taught that the human conscience is so hopelessly sullied by sin, it cannot be trusted; and therefore only the authority of Scripture can inform it as to whats right. Its a hermeneutical approach that militates against the Bibles integrity and authority.For a more extensive treatment of Webbs work, you should read the reviews by Tom Schreiner and Wayne Grudem. And they went out of their way to do the right thing, over and above what was required. It is our sober conclusion from observing the last 50 years. stands a chance. It's okay and normal to feel the loss. To respond to your concluding comments, egalitarians do not deny the fatherhood of God. Our views are grounded in scripture, as complementarianism is not a valid reading of the Bible. Wisconsin's Elmbrook Church is the church in which Steve and Jill Briscoe faithfully served for many years before retiring. Those concerns have not diminished at all after these many years. None of this takes me by surprise and I am incredibly proud to say that Ispent many years at this wonderful church. He moved in with his sweetie on the side. . As for women pastors its not something that was ever a big issue for me. My Comment was Deleted Im glad that the elders at Bent Tree have stated their views so clearly and have opened up a public conversation. move in this direction is such an incredible answer to prayer. The Oh they are not believers meme just does not cut it, that is basically what I saw in this book. Add to this that most people love the self-help industry and rules, roles and formulas for living life. I am going to try to present a picture of Pastor Pete Briscoe, PastorJoanne Hummel and the doctrinal statement of BTBF to bolstermy contention that BTBFisa conservative church from a doctrinal standpointas well as from actual events that I personallywitnessed. or GAWDs Anointed. This church sounds wonderful. We left the same day the Lotz's did. 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